These are brand new. They've never been out of the plastic. These were for my camaro project with the LBZ. They're 75% over stock. I had them made to support atleast 750-800 hp at the wheels on diesel only. These are $1400 through DDP... $875.. I'm located in Venice (Sarasota County).. I don't get on the forums much anymore, so please call me at 941-468-4307.. I accept paypal and cash..